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Hi, I am new here! I happened to come across this article on the internet after my frustration level reached a point where I thought “There has to be SOMEONE out there with my symptoms. There has to be an answer.” I have seen 15+ specialists, including Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. I believe that I have the same symptoms as David Powell.

I become very short of breath, followed by dizziness (from not being able to breathe) if I walk up the stairs, walk on an incline, bend over, reach up above my head, squat down…. I believe that an incident in 2012 where a 260 lb motor bike fell on top of me, after I fell 3 ft backward off a truck onto my back, may have caused injury to now cause these symptoms (which have been getting worse since 2013.)

I have an upcoming appointment with yet another specialist… a neurosurgeon. What can I do to help him understand that I would like to be tested for phrenic nerve injury? Thank you for any help or suggestions!

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My husband recently had ablation surgery that went terribly wrong (the surgeon punctured heart wall & he almost died). A couple of weeks later, with recovering very far away, they determined the phrenic nerve has been frozen & the diaphragm paralyzed. Luckily, if there is any luck in this, the pulmonary specialist took a picture of the diaphragm just before the surgery and just after – there it is in pictures, even I could see it clearly. It does show, if the diaphragm is affected, it will show.

Simple test called a Sniff test where they watch your diaphragm move while your breathing with an xray machine kind of like a video instead of a still picture. They have you breath deeply though your nose that is why it is called sniff test. The radiologist will watch your diaphragm move both sides should move down at least a few inches. I had been told I have an elevated right diaphragm for last 10 years but doctors didn’t seem to think much about it. I wanted to find out why so they had me do the sniff test and sure enough my right diaphragm is paralyzed not moving at all. If yours is moving you do not have any problems with your Phrenic Nerve. Doctors would have seen the elevated diaphragm the muscle is not working so it just pushes up into the lung.

Hi. I seem to have similar symptoms to David and Kelly.
I have had a scan, MRI and the sniff test.
The diaphragm does not move on the right side (upwards a cm during the sniff test).
Possible/probable cause has been put down to irritation to the phrenic nerve during an intense practice race during dragon boat training early November. I did see a GP about a saw right shoulder earlier in the day. 14 days later on a hot day I was gasping and having some trouble breathing. In between I had been swimming and a dragon boat race of some 7 km.
The next day after the hot day I was sent to a public hospital and kept in till the following afternoon. I have an appointment with the respiratory head honcho from there in April. Yes 6 months later.
My GP has sent to a different respiratory specialist. He is a reluctant to recommend surgery, although he has talked about a procedure that would tie the diaphragm in place, at the lower position. But he suggests giving it some months before getting to that point. I saw him last week and my oxygen level had improved and was into a normal range.
I have also been seeing a physio and been trying to do some exercises.
I was due to have a procedure to correct long term incontinence from a radical prostrate operation last year but that has been put on hold because of infection risk. I was also getting to a point of having a procedure done to both of my knees after waiting and coping for more than a decade.
I also wonder whether the way I sleep affects my neck and the phrenic nerve. I am round shouldered as it is, and I tend to sleep on an arm. I have bought a new pillow but it is still not quite high enough.
Some days, or parts thereof, I don’t notice my breathing. Other days I do. My neck hurts more at times as well. One job I do involves walking outdoors. Exercise has difficulties between the breathing and incontinence. Trying some spin bike riding and swimming. Not tennis yet (and dragon boats has gone for good).
Any suggestions as to what is possible would be greatly appreciated.

HI Peter I saw your post so since my last reply last week I saw a pulmonary Doctor she said because of my diaphragm is so pushed up into my lung it's taking up space my lung capacity test shows not normal. She referred me to a surgeon who does surgical plication of the diaphragm I'm guessing they cut the muscle in a way that it no longer pushes up but if I get that done the nerve even if fixed will not move that muscle again. I tried to talk to her about the repairing the nerve she just shook her head interrupted me said this is the only way to fix it I didn't like her much she is a personal friend of my GP I told him she doesn't even talk to you just talks at you. I doubt she ever heard of the Phrenic Nerve being repaired at UCLA. If that is the surgery they want you to get I would look into getting the nerve fixed first if that doesn't work then do the other. She said she had good results with 2 other patients who had it done admitted both of them were in their 70's I told her I'm very active person. She also said if you stay thin with less body fat that helps with allowing the other side of your diaphragm to move it easier. I have gained some weight I'm working on losing it now I'm in Arizona so UCLA isn't far for me to travel I'm going to look into the nerve repair first. I'm still waiting for MRI my new insurance company must be managed by Canadians where you wait 6 months for an MRI.

Hi Kelly
Thanks for the reply/posting.
I live in Australia so the possibilities of a nerve surgery in Arizona are pretty remote. Although I have read about a gentleman from Geelong, Victoria, Australia who travelled to Arizona to have the surgery done, at huge cost.
Since my posting I have seen a cardiothoracic surgeon who explained the procedure to placate the right side of the diaphragm in place at the lower position so that one gets my air into the chest cavity. He has performed this procedure six times and in three of these the people have reported improved outcomes. Not encouraging odds admittedly. And I agree that it is logical to try and have the nerve surgery performed first. The cardiothoracic surgeon was open to and indeed quite encouraging me to see a neurosurgeon first to see what could be offered in terms of the nerves, although he also explained that all the meanwhile the lungs and ribs are scarring away.
I have UCLA and they have sent me a questionnaire. I have an appointment with a neurosurgeon, so crossing fingers. There are only six of these guys locally, in Adelaide, Australia.
I agree it would help to lose weight – my life battle, although I lost mega seven years ago. Half back on. Nevertheless, it can be done.

Just to correct the statement I made I live in the state of Arizona which is about 350 miles or 560 km from UCLA medical Center in California that is where they are repairing the Phrenic Nerve for me that is only a 6 hour drive or 1 hour flight. I would first verify if possible though imaging what the problem is with the nerve some have scar tissue pressing on it only needs to be removed to release the pressure that is something I think a local doctor could do. Also you can see a neurologist who can do a test to find the place where the nerve is damaged. Unfortenlty it's this problem isn't common enough, and most people just live with it. I read in another thread someone had just stopped doing things that he needed lot of lung capacity for like singing or hiking in the mountains. I read a study on Diaphragm Plactate only has about 15-18% improvement of lung capacity one has to weigh the options of that risk vr reward the consult I was given a surgeon who I was told that has done many of these they admitted usually not a good option until the it's impacting ones life much more then it is now for me that is why most do it later in life. As far as weight goes yes I can say it's gotten worse as my weight went up like you it's a constant battle when I stressed I tend to eat lot more food. It's been very difficult to stay focused on eating correctly. One thing I will say is don't get discouraged about gaining half back on just try to start the next day again and get back to the diet and exercise even if I have a bad day of eating I go the gym I don't feel bad about it at least I did something.

Thanks Kelly, interesting read.
I will follow up with the neurosurgeon about scarring pressing on the nerve.
One extra factor I find is that I now get very tired at times, and don't often get up feeling refreshed. I don't whether that's my age (60s), type II diabetes, consequence of radical prostatectomy surgery last year (March) or this breathing issue – and probably all of the above.
But it's also darn hard to push oneself to do something like spin bike exercise with the huff and puff breathing and being tired, but as you suggest, I will, as it works on the weight.

A question please. I tried to write (email) to Dr Kauffman and I got a reply back from someone at The Institute for Advanced Reconstruction, which is New Jersey. The other side of the states. May not be anything wrong with that. How do I contact the Phrenic Nerve people at UCLA?

If you read above it explains Dr. Reza Jarrahy is the doctor who does the surgery at UCLA he was trained by Dr Kauffiman that way they have one person on each coast.

Have you had a sleep study to find out what your O2 levels are while sleeping I snored for years probably because of this issue and weight gain but didn't know I was only getting 78% oxygen at night doctors said under 80% can have a stroke or cardiac arrest. That's why I would wake up headaches. If your not sleeping well need to get a sleep study find out why I use a CPAP while it took a year to learn to sleep with it on helps a lot.

Thanks Kelly. Yes that makes sense. And people come from overseas to one of them. Cost is scary.

I had a sleep apnea test done years ago, but not recently. My partner suggests my breathing during sleep is better than during the day. I often sleep on my arm and maybe that crunches my neck and not good for the phrenic nerve.